Vídeo: Bombardear Gaza “faz parte de um processo”. A entrevista na íntegra ao embaixador de Israel

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Ambassador thank you very much for having the possibility to talk to you here in our Studios welcome again uh you are living Portugal uh what is the the what do you make of your three years in Portugal here uh and relations with the different authorities and the Portuguese people during your Tanner year first of all thank you for having me here again it’s always a pleasure uh yes I’m living after 3 years because it’s the end of my term going back to Israel and I must say that uh arriving here I didn’t know too much about Portugal and about too much about Portugal Israel relations and I’m living here understanding that the potential for both Sid for the Israeli side and for the Portuguese side from this growing relations between us is huge and I think we are starting to get more and more of this of this potential and uh I’m sure the those relations between our two countries will keep growing because the Portuguese people and the Israeli people we we are similar in so many ways that’s why me and my family we really feel at home here and many Israelis feel at home here we are both the weather the the food the environment the nature of the people H when you’ll be in Tel Aviv I think you will exactly feel exactly the same kind of feeling of home that we feel here so that’s why I think U Israel is like Portugal so much and Portuguese people many of them that I’ve spoke with like Israel so much and those relation will keep growing do you think the majority of Portuguese people enjoys Israel yes first of all it’s to I think it’s to separate question first of all the relations what is the reaction of Portuguese people toward Israel and second question probably that you you didn’t ask yet but you’re heading there it’s regarding the war itself so I will start with second question because we are conducting a polls from time to time especially after the war started in October 7 and I saw also polls that Portuguese media have taken since then and you see constantly that the support that Israel receive from the from the Portuguese street is higher than the other side and it’s still very very stable and and and I feel it everywhere I go in Portugal and people I speak with and Member of Parliament and member of the government I feel the support because I think there is understanding from the Portuguese side that we share the same values that we are both democratic countries that believe in freedom of speech freedom of right to minorities to to LGBT community to everyone and and that’s why we are we are the same we might have differences or argument about how to conduct some areas of the wars but in the core we are the same and that’s why I think there is a huge support at the the street toward Israel so that’s regarding the war itself but more than that I speak with Portuguese people that come and visit Israel and they love it and they feel at home and I speak with the Portuguese business people that wants to do business with Israeli companies because they understand that they can gain a lot from that H and they can gain a lot from the Israeli technology and from the Israeli inventions and in the areas of water and IND history and medical technology and cyber security and so many and it’s also from the other side we don’t you recognize the political environment could Foster better foster this even economic relation between the two countries I think that at the end of the day the people to- people relations between countries is stronger than any political system in any country as it is and the People to People between Israel and Portugal is very very strong and we will need to work in for that to be even even stronger because it’s it’s it’s increasing it wasn’t like that 20 years ago and it wasn’t like that 10 years ago and I’m sure that 10 years from now it will be even more stronger what is I don’t think people have the idea but you surely have some numbers for us what is the amount of investment of Israeli investment in Portugal I mean probably the real estate uh sector is really in in flourishing right now it’s it’s very hard to follow I I can give you some numbers look the trade between Israel and Portugal it’ss about $500 million doar but that’s not enough and that’s going and and and growing I’ll tell you why because the traditional trade between Israel and Portugal was Agriculture and now the agriculture will keep and and should stay there because that’s what we should keep in order for those businesses to to to keep running but on that we need to add the the issue of Technology mainly the issue of of real estate it’s something else also most of them it’s not in Israeli companies it’s it might be Israelis who mov to Portugal and open companies here but that’s not Israeli company I’m talking abouty Israeli company now in addition to to agriculture we need to add the technology and we see it already happening and we’re already working with cities like Lisbon and Porto and and others in order for more Israeli startups to work with Portuguese Portuguese companies and we start seeing it uh flourishing do you leave Lisbon with the desire to establish a final business or there is the next project you you would like to see uh you know in place between from the Israeli investments in Portugal there are so many things in field to to do you know last week I visited the aor island and the thing that we can do together and we are starting to between our universities because in the a you have a very good Academy that teaches and studies and investigate and research the issue of blue economy that’s something that in Israel we are starting now to develop more and more and more startups are starting to work so we need to talk to each other and and to work together and uh we have some experience in in the issue of water technology that some areas in Portugal are suffering especially in Alo and in the algar we can give you and and and share with you the our experience and our results and our companies that are already been doing that so I think there is so much that we can do and the potential as I said before is huge and we will keep investing in that and I think you will see it coming in the next few years on the other side about war and so on not only War but do you recognize some kind of of uh communication challenge for the state of Israel regarding Portuguese people in its way of seeing Israel look Israel is uh is not at the top of the agenda of the Portuguese people and the Portuguese headlines and I can understand that it’s you know we’re a small country in the Middle East daily in the news we talk about but that’s only now because of the of the you’re talking in general H I can understand that but I think that we are both country we have we have some connection that you know it’s an historical connection but also emotional connection that uh has been there for the last few hundred years and it’s a it’s there is a story in Portugal about the relations to the Jewish community and about the relations to Israel and the Israelis and the Jewish Community all around the world is starting to reveal and to learn about this uh this story H and you see today more and more tourists coming from Israel and from America also to learn about this story of the Jewish communities that were there and the Jewish history of Portugal and the Portuguese people are welcoming those tourist in order to to share this story and to reveal more about the history they are not as Shame of the history of course they are ashame of the history but they’re not trying to hide it that’s what I meant and and that’s why you will see here more people coming here from Israel and more people from Portugal hosting them and that will also assist a lot in those relations between the people to people and on the other way you will see the Israel is also hosting them back in Israel we had this uh dual citizenship process with with the Jews uh in in in Portugal do you feel that um Portugal as a country and government and former government and the present government is doing well enough in terms of defending this Israeli Community with connections with Portugal of course we we saw this during this this war since October 7th um with all these for example hostages with Portuguese citizenship do you think Portugal has done uh enough it’s a good question I I don’t get into the the issue of uh the law the spad CLW itself in regarding uh how it should be done or things like that because I don’t think me as a foreign country needs to preach to a different country which law they should have or shouldn’t I don’t want Portugal to to interfere in our laws of who we give nationality too but I would say a few things number one once this law passed you know today we have more about 50,000 Israelis with the Portuguese nationality living in Israel and that’s very significant and I think if we look for the main reason why did the relations between Israel and Portugal change in the last year probably this is the main reason and how do I see changes in the in the in the relation it’s not only that today you go to Israel and you say you are from Portugal almost everybody either been there or or know Portugal and will ask you question it’s not like 15 years ago that they would not even know too much about Portugal the best way to to to show you that I’m correct just happen to see what happened here in the last few years in regards to direct flights we had zero direct flights between Tel Aviv and and Lisbon and T Aviv and Portugal and before the war before October 7 we got to 1818 weekly direct flights between Israel and Portugal most of them to Lisbon some to Porto and also there it was supposed to launch new lines to Madera and Azores now we 18 weekly direct flights that’s huge number we are only 10 million people country you only 10 million people country and still those numb the flights were completely full and today after the war because the the flights are coming back slowly slowly now we have about two daily flights and it will grow back to the 18 and maybe even more than that in the in the coming few months because it shows you first of all the potential and also the people from Israel and people from Portugal wants to go and visit each other they are interested in each other they want to visit there they are interested they want to do business together they want to to to visit the places and I think the the direct flight is the best way to prove that I know but my question was about is Portugal doing enough with this Israeli citizens with dual citizenship with Portugal so that’s a question to ask your Ambassador in t AV because it’s his problem he needs to deal with the with the Portuguese Community your perspective I’m asking he needs to deal with with this Portuguese community in in Israel uh yes we found ourselves in a situation I think that was new for us and was new for you as well the hostages issue also puts Portugal on the very sad map of U hostages that are has other nationalities and Portuguese nationality we had about 10 with a Portuguese connection and that’s why you saw here in the last year uh almost that we had four delegations of hostages family coming to visit Portugal in order to meet with your government and to meet with your Member of Parliament to meet with your president and ask them to do whatever they can in order to assist them to call for the release of their loved ones now for me as the ambassador of Israel I don’t care what the nationality is all of them need to be released and we as the representative of the government of Israel need to do whatever we can to release them because they need to be released I see but the family hostage the hostage family they ask that to the Portuguese government and the Israeli government asks that too we ask all the governments around the world to do that not only the Portuguese government because we want to see International pressure on Hamas through some of those other countries that can affect them to call for the release of the hostages we will keep pushing them military diplomatically but also the International Community needs to to have a very firm stand in order order to call for the release of the hostages for people to understand how many uh hostages still remain in Portuguese citizenship first of all there are 120 hostages who are still in captivity out of them there are 10 with Portuguese connection at the moment at the moment uh but some you had some fatalities in this process yes unfortunately do you have information that these fatal fatalities uh were like inevitable in in the in each case uh you found uh in in that uh in that territory uh could could you give us more information about it it was possible to somehow save these lives in other perspective it’s a very difficult question to answer because uh we are at War and uh each operation that goes successfully as we saw also in the last few month that we saw a successful operation to release three of the hostages or unsuccessfully each one of them needs to be learned and investigated and we are doing that in order to learn from that we need to do whatever we can to to release that and as you know there is now a a a suggestion for the release of the hostages and also for a ceasefire that was present presented by also by President Biden and we agree to that and there are negotiations about it and I really hope that as I said before Al with the assisted also of the international pressure the Hamas will accept those terms and those 120 innocent people because they are innocent people will be released and things could come back to to see some normality and quiet in the region some hostages with Portuguese citizenship were released uh I I’m not asking you details about the negotiation I’m just asking if is it truth that there was any kind of in Portuguese intervention in this process I I cannot uh comment on that that’s a question to ask uh your government it was conducted by the Israeli government but that’s a question to ask your government it’s not for me to answer apart also on the bilateral relation uh there was a change of of government did it change the Portuguese uh position in terms of the Isel point of view I don’t see any changes in the in the relations between the Portuguese government and uh and Israel I think uh the previous government and the current government are both very clear in their support to Israel right to defend itself H and to find a Sol to call for the release of the hostages and to find a solution in order to get to a ceasefire I think both government has said it very firmly um there was there is one person very important which is Antonio Costa he was the Prime Minister now he’s going to be the president of European Council there was some articles being written about Antonio Costa uh some critics from uh some part of the Jewish community in Portugal uh is there any complaint you have on the figure of the personality of Antonio KOST I think that what was published a few weeks ago by uh some elements in the Jewish community in Porto is completely ridiculous I don’t see any kind of anti-Semitic Behavior by him exactly the opposite when he was a mayor of Lisbon he was a good friend of the Jewish community and when he was the Prime Minister and his Support also to Israel after October 7th was no Ed very well so uh I I don’t stand behind those ridiculous uh what do you expect from him as a president of European Council what does Israel expect from him the first thing that we expect from any any international organization is to be fair and we see today more and more unfair behavior and unfair Judgment of Israel in those International organizations the second thing to to make sure that the EU stand by Israel as they should stand by Israel because we are on the same side and because understanding that Israel is fighting a war against Terror which is the same war that any EU country and any Western Democratic free world country is fighting and we expect them to stand by us when it comes to that and the third thing is to continue the good and important relations that Israel has with the EU I see but uh we know the now again Port president of European commission was very vocal uh in support of Israel since the first minute of this war but uh Mr Costa and previously Mr Michelle come from a different political family in in Europe do you expect Mr Costa to maintain The Stance of for example Mrs ferlon in terms of this subject from the very uh small short experience I have with the Mr Kosta I expect him to be Mr Kosta and not take any examples no from Mr Michelle and not from Mrs vline who is Mr Coster for you I think he’s a a decent person that will come to his job and will continue again now you’re asking me about his reaction to Israel he understand the importance of relations with Israel in peace time and in war time and he will continue going I hope he will continue to go by that line and that will be the line of the EU as it should be but during his tenor as a prime minister he also stressed the importance of the proportional response from Israel in terms of Gaza situation okay but I again the the war in Gaza from our perspective is very proportional and the war in Gaza as I said before it can end in 5 minutes the pressure doesn’t need to be on Israel it needs to be on the other side we have three goals for that war to end the first one is to make sure that Kamas will not have his capabilities anymore and will not be there as the governing of the Palestinian people there the second thing to bring back the security for the people in of Israel so those people the Israeli people will could go back to live in their houses because as you know we have almost 150,000 Israelis who had to evacuated their houses in October 7th almost 10 months and didn’t come back yet because it’s not safe and the third thing is to release the 120 hostages once those three demands will be achieved and by the way in this H proposal that I’ve mentioned before we are achieving those three goals this war will be over the the third Factor about hostages you have almost weekly or daily demonstrations in Isel with from the the families uh it’s uh um there are many criticism about Israel conducting these operations you want me to apologize that Israel is a democratic country I will never do that I think I’m very proud that Israel is a democratic country and people can go to the streets and demonstrate on issues like the hostages with which is very understandable why families will go and and demonstrate for that and for also for other reasons and yes there are disagreement in the Israeli Society how the government should handle this uh hostages deal but at the end of the day as I said before we’re a democratic country people can demonstrate but there is also a government that need to decide and take the decision and hopefully we’ll find the best solution and the first Factor was amama you said and dismantling amas um are you near that objective we’re not far from that objective it’s not an easy task because it’s not only mil military I think we are not far from there but it’s also ideology issue rephrasing is it possible I think it is possible but it’s a process it’s it has to be in stages and we cannot do it by ourself once we will achieve the goals of the war and we will have to work together Israel doesn’t want to stay in the Gaza Street if anyone thinks that we want to to rule the Gaza Strip completely the oppos Gaz strip is destroyed Gaza Strip is not destroyed not destroyed it’s not destroyed and you still have two million people living there and uh and in very harsh conditions you understand and and that’s why it needs to be rebuilt that’s fine the Palestinian people will stay there but we need to work together with the International Community to make sure that the Palestinian people in Gaza will have the right government there that will govern there a government that believe First of in the needs of the Palestinian people and not in violence a government that believe that that will handle for instance all the humanitarian assistant in the right way and not as a hostage thing and the government that believe that the Palestinians and the Israelis should live one by side and not encourage incitement all the time you asking for a regime change in Gaza there will be a regime change in Gaza do you think bombing is the best way to change a regime if I think bombing is the best way no I think it’s it’s a process the bombing and the it’s all a process of Step by Step the first step is to take down the military activity of Kamas and that’s what this bombing that you’re referring to is doing to take down it’s not against the Palestinian people it’s not against Gaza it’s against the Hamas terrorists many people doubt that it’s effective enough to take down and dismantle amas Oran I I encourage and invite those people to come and explain to me proving by history if there is a better way to do that because I don’t know if any better way that was the way to beat to defeat Isis that was the way to defeat Nazism and that is the way to defeat any Terror organization but you’re ask you’re asking for bombing you’re saying that’s the better way bombing no I’m asking of taking down Hamas militant taking down the terror rist that’s how you do it and that’s the first step the second step is to build the right government for the Palestinian people as I said before but you want okay it’s two questions one how I’m I’m rephrasing my first question about how near you are you have a percentage of the how much did you dismantle in terms of Hamas organization yes almost more than 80% we’re are talking about H the last main headquarter of Hamas is in the area of Rafa where we knew that there were still four battalions over there and that’s why we went to this operation in Rafa and I think we are getting toward the at least the first step that I was mentioning before to achieve it and secondly the change of government Israel has is going to vote for something isn’t it for the Palestinians to to get their own they are free to understand what what’s the best solution okay but uh in the Democratic uh process as you know and as we learn from history there should be some rules because also Hitler was chosen in a democratic process still there should be some rules in order to make sure that someone like Hitler will not be chosen again as the head of of a country also for Hamas they were you can say that they were chosen democratically in 2005 when they took over the Gaza Strip but since then as you know there were never elections in Gaza anymore for almost 20 years and they killed all the Palestinian Authority people in order to make sure that they won’t have any opponent it’s difficult to make elections on Rubble I’m talking about since 2005 and now at the moment not now so that’s I’m not talking about having an elections now first of all make sure Kamas is out of the picture then work together with the International Community together with Egypt with Saudi Arabia the UN the US everyone in order to have a a someone to rule in Gaza to assist start rebuilding the place and the trust of the people and then we can start thinking about the next steps in order to have a better government and elections I’m talking about the election because one other thing that Israeli points out is the the Democratic uh uh context of the pal Palestinian Authority they don’t have elections for a long time and when we talk to people in rala they say it’s impossible to make your elections because of the impossibility of making a proper census even not only the Gaza situation but also the East Jerusalem uh way could Israel help the authority to make elections and make senses the the proper regulations and to ease the situation in order to make elections let’s be honest because as you know the the Palestinian Authority didn’t go to elections since almost 20 years because they knew that if they will go to elections it’s a risk for them for Hamas to take over also the West Bank and if it would have taken also the West Bank that would be the end of the Palestinian Authority that way you are recognizing Hamas is a very strong political organization in in because when the Palestinian Authority for the last almost 40 years didn’t sell any future for the Palestinian people it was a corrupt government that just all the time dealing with going around the world and talking about how they should sue Israel in the international courts instead of helping the Palestinian people instead of selling them future they were supporting Palestinians terrorist families they were supporting incitement in the in the books the in the in the study books of the teacher of the teachers instead of working with Israel in a better future for the Israelis and the Palestinian Abu Maan he’s been the leader there almost forever he was all the time opposing coming to the T negotiation table and sitting and discussing with the Israel’s future I remind you that in 2000 and in 2005 sorry in 2007 twice he rejected an offer that was on the table in order to solve the Israel Palestinian conflict because this is the Palestinian Authority so I can’t blame the Palestinian people for being very frustrated now I hope that there will be a new generation that will rise in the Palestinian for the Palestinian people that will be able to govern the Palestinian with future with hope with understanding that Israel will be there so we need to sit together and solve this conflict between us not through the UN and the IC and the EU and others but israelit and Palestinians sitting together negotiation table and solving the conflict returning to Hamas the goal is to dismantle the operation in Gaza but they are exist in Exile what will you do about it kill kill the the masterminds outside Gaza that’s a question to to leave for a for the cabinets but as you know most of the Kamas militants and the terrorist and the Ary terrorist they sit in Gaza street saru is the head of the Hamas military branch and he’s the one he’s the mine behind October 7th terror attack he sits in Gaza and Muhammad de who is the like the chief of staff of Kamas also behind October 7 he was sitting in Gaza but we took him down a week ago and uh once Kamas in Gaza will be defeated it will affect also those who sits outside of Gaza but that’s another request from the international committee understand that this is a Terr organization and make sure that you sanction them don’t let them travel around the world don’t let them behave like you know they’re okay no they’re not okay they’re criminals and they should be treated like that and by the way that’s also according to Portugal definition you also Define them as a ter organization so all of us needs to treat them as terrorist they should sit in their houses and not get out from there forever because once they will get out they will either go to jail or to heaven or hell um of course for Israel Hamas Hezbollah and so on are uh commanded by Iran that’s the the the the Israeli position you have now A Change uh with the new president in a some an some analysts say it’s a reformist what do you expect Israel what does expect from this president in the Iranian architecture of power let’s see I don’t see a real change in Iran I hope there will be a change in Iran because Iran has very good people citizens living there that understand that they also been taking as hostages by the ayas but right now the change of President doesn’t change the doesn’t change the the regime and doesn’t change the regime ambition to create chaos around the world and when you look around the world Iran is involved in every everything that is bad going around the world they’re involved in Terror organizations and Terror activities in Latin America in Europe of course in in the Middle East they are involved in the war between Russia and Ukraine helping Russia against Ukraine and they’re involved in our region assisting financially military and commanding also theah in the north the Hamas in the Islamic Jihad the uh Iranian troops inside Syria and also the htis in Yemen which is a becoming a huge problem for all of us affecting the the roots of the ships that are going there and then about htis uh I must ask you this as last time you heard here after the October 7 I asked you about this and you said we are we are ready to defend ourselves in as many fronts that we have to do it like I was asking about for example the lab Lebanon border and so on well we see of course we see some attacks from the Lebanon side but mounting to this criticism about the some security failure on October 7 as you may understand you found that uh a simple drone can attack uh T Aviv came from Far Away really far away from the htis uh isn’t that a concern that you there are some challenges in the terms of Defense of Israel yes specifically that drone was a is still being investigated by our Air Force there was some technical failure there that is being uh checked in the dome and are you talking about in the in the area of protecting uh Israel from this kind of threats and it will be checked but you know when you look at the last uh N9 months Israel been attacked from from thetis with more than 200 drones and missile ballistic missiles in the last nine months and I remind you also this night that Iran decided to attack Israel with more than 350 drones and and ballistic missiles there was a early early warning and and that’s what I’m saying and our systems in protecting ourselves from this kind of attacks were working pretty well so in this specific ER example that you’ve mentioned that there was some failure there some mistake that will have to be investigated to see what happened there that didn’t work like it worked in previous times that I can rephrase my question from October are you really ready to defend yourself from all this kind of uh fronts we’re already doing that as you could see there is a war in the North there is a war in the South there is a war with the htis we don’t want we are trying to do whatever we can in order to avoid those Wars not because we cannot fight but because we don’t we prefer to find diplomatic solutions to these kind of wars and we don’t want to be dragged to these kind of Wars but once they are attacking us and taking us giving us no any other options we know how to to act back and to make sure that they will have to think twice before attacking us again but are you expecting I think what you saw last Saturday mhm it’s exactly that message that was sent to the htis are you expecting uh other than the uis the Lebanon front to increase activity while you say that you are almost accomplished your mission in Gaza I hope not and we are trying as I said before we are trying to avoid it for a very long time but uh it might get to a point that theah will not give us any other option because every day there are attacks coming from Lebanon toward the North Northern of Israel the reason you don’t hear about it too much is because we evacuated most of the people from the houses and because we have a very good defense system but it cannot last forever and we are trying again through diplomatic channel to make sure that the kisah will go back to the 1701 resol UN resolution and move to the northern side of the Lani River and if it will not happen and those attacks will continue we will be in order to defend oursel we will not have another October 7th coming from the North after the tragedy the Holocaust and so on international law was very important for Israel and international courts also you now have a decision that is not binding I must say from the international court of justice uh about uh the end of occupation of the Palestinian territories as soon as possible the judges say why don’t you abide to that first of all the The Advisory that the icj talked about last Friday it’s not a obligated decision it’s advisory I tell you what’s the problem with the ICC and the icj because you said rightly so that those organizations were formed after the Holocaust and for a good reason and uh reason for them to to to be established was exactly the right and very Noble and and and the right one but what happened to them in the last 30 years is just so unfortunate because it took it made those organization more political and the whole idea that was behind them just vanished and today you look at those organization there is a reason why also the US is not a part of the ICC there is a reason for that because it it became a political game and Israel is the best football that you can play with in this political game that’s how they feel and that’s the pressure that they get from those all the international organization around them the most ridiculous thing I would talk with you about is Iran today is the president of the human right Council Iran the same country that doesn’t let women or kill women that don’t cover their head so you don’t trust un it’s not that I don’t trust it’s I’m very disappointed with the way it’s conducted and something very crucial need to happen in order to change the way this system is working it makes no sense that even before the war 75% of the resolution every year of the UN are against Israel a democratic country in the Middle East not in time of war in time of Peace you have votes on un yes 7 it’s not someone that dictates it’s V voting systems yes but you know if the UN would like to to have a resolution tomorrow that Israel says that the Sun rise in the morning in in the night sorry that if tomorrow morning someone will say that there is a resolution that Israel says that the sun rises in the in the morning also most of the countries will vote against us because there is in the structure of the UN it’s already structuring in a way that always everything will be against Israel and that makes no sense and something has to change in in the way this system is working and I hope it will happen soon because it’s ridiculous Antonio gutterz is the same political family of Antonio Kosta it’s a Portuguese one do you stand by your criticism by Israel about the way the Secretary General is making its point of view about Israel and the the situation on the ground my criticism toward Antonio GES is not because he’s from Portugal and not because he’s from the PS my main criticism toward him is because he is the Secretary General of the United Nation and I would expect him to to behave like that and to be very very careful in the way he handles the all the issue of the war in Israel right now and I think he didn’t do it in a way that I would expect him to do that and that’s unfortunate do you think it’s understandable that um but you understand that there there are some many people many countries many civil societies demanding the for example the the recognizing Palestine as a state it was on on voting uh in in un also um we don’t see any steps uh that can drive to that uh to that final status it’s it’s it’s more it’s it’s it’s more uh more urgent to complete the situation in Gaza and then you deal with the final status of Palestine look just to conclude the issue of the UN as we said before October 7th was the worst terror attack in I think in the modern history even more more than 9/11 because in numbers proportionally it’s like 3911 that happened in Israel and still the UN didn’t pass even one resolution that condemn Hamas for October 7 even one they condemned us for everything since October 7th but even one resolution to condemn Kamas we have proofs of of murder of rapes of kidnapping babies and you don’t condemn them that’s like the basic basic basic thing to do so that shows you something about the hypocrisy of the of the UN and why the system something is very very very wrong in the way the system works at the UN that’s about that regarding the Palestinian State I must say I I can’t understand the the the idea of recognizing now a Palestinian State I can understand those country who thinks that they should support Palestinian State I really I can’t understand it was a goal far on far yes but I can’t understand now recogniz recognizing Palestinian State it’s so wrong because it’s not the right time because to do it now as you say it was for a long time but to do it now not to wait another few months after the war will end not to do it before the war but now to do it it’s a price for Kamas you did the most the worst ever a terror attack let’s recognize the Palestinian State it’s the worst timing I could ever think of so so that timing I cannot understand the second thing is the issue of of the way how do you do that yeah we decide that we recognize Spain recognized Palestinian state with all du respect Palestinian state will not be decided at in Madrid and will not be decided in Dublin not even in Lisbon it will be decided between the Israelis and the Palestinians the only way for the Israel Palestinian conflict to end is for Israelis and Palestinians to sit together and solve it so why does it help you to recognize it so the way is also is not correct and the third thing is what does it mean to recognize now Palestinian State you by yourself you say that there is a division between the West Bank that ruled by the the Palestinian Authority and Gaza that ruled by Hamas there are three areas a b c so what is a Palestinian State Gaza is a part of the Palestinian state so you recognize Hamas a terror organization by your definition as the head of state that’s what you are telling me right now and I’m not telling you nothing no no I’m not talking about you specifically I’m talking about those countries to remind you Portugal didn’t recognize Palestinian States so my complaints are not to Portugal I think Portugal is going by the right way but those who are recognizing it who do you recog you recognize a government of a terrorist group that you recognize as a terrorist group to be a head of a state so I really cannot understand this idea of running and rushing right now to recognize a States wrong time wrong way and wrong Partners finally uh we are uh waiting for what happens in United States uh do you um think um that with the Trump Administration the focus on R roel could change a little bit let me first say uh that I want to say that I would like to recognize the very strong bonding and relations that we had with President Biden because he just decided that he’s retiring after this presidency and I think he’s one of the those who his heart was in the right place and standing by us all over the years since the 70s and especially in the last 10 month was very uh appreciated by the Israelis and uh I really thank him for that number two that I want to say is that the relations between Israel and the US and I served in the US so I have some perspective are very very strong it’s not some relations between bilateral relations between two two countries it’s it’s in the core of the of Israel and the core of America the relations between Israel and and the US for many reasons and they are really unbreakable no matter who will be the prime minister in Israel and no matter who will be the president in America is Vice President Kamala haris different from President Joe Biden of course she will be different every everybody is different from what do you know from the American side everybody is different she will bring something she will bring herself uh you know but we’ve been working with her also for the last uh I would say 10 years even before she became a vice president when she was Senator and when she was attorney general in California but I’m saying saying that it doesn’t matter if it will be a Democratic president or Republican president those relations between the two countries will remain unbreakable and very very strong it’s it’s completely different than what we learn in the Diplomatic World about bilateral relations between countries is much something much more deeper than that I know but we have a different situation because Trump was uh president before and there was a proposal of a plan like the peace to prosperity and that was not very efficient would you understand would you agree with that I don’t know if it was efficient or not I know that at the end of the at the end of the day he did brought us the Abraham Accords the peace agreements between Israel and United Arab Emirates and the peace agreement between Israel and Morocco and with baharin so I’m not sure it wasn’t very efficient I think it was very efficient now his plan is talking also about the ending the conflict between Israeli and Palestinians I’m I’m not against ending the it’s my interest to end the conflict with the Palestinians I want my children to live in a peaceful country but you are you expecting a different Trump approach on this situation if he’s elected president I don’t know because i’ I’ve we’ll have to wait for him to come and see exactly where he stand but I have no doubt that either it will be him or someone else from the Democratic party the interest of Israel will be at the top of their priorities and the name of the Secretary of State is um very important for Israel everyone in the administ US Administration from the president downward is important for us because of those relations that we have with America thank you very much for your time thank you