Vídeo: VIRGIN STEELE

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Mr try what went down in your head the stars are in the sh listen to them to them Children of the Night Children of the Night what music David one Guardians of the flame Anniversary Edition hello David greetings how are you how are you all good I’m good you got me I can see you I can hear you and I can see you everything okay yes all good all good very good okay we can start talking about Virgin steel one and guardians of the flame first of all when did you start toying with the idea of um remixing these two records uh it was probably a year or so ago when I went in and I transferred the tapes from the the baking process I don’t know if you know about that we take the analog you put it in the convection OV it and get it to uh be able to be played again and then you transfer it to the digital format so I did that probably a year or so ago and um then I got real busy of course with the uh the last album passion of D Isis album and uh I thought well there’s no real freedom to do that last year so let let me I want to I want to do it right so let me let me wait till I get get the this other this new album off my plate and uh the start of this year I said um let me explore so I started listening to what I had transferred on the Guardians alum I was wow there’s a lot of stuff here this is pretty interesting I said all right let me dive in and do a experiment so I started setting up mix and it started going rather well so I said all right let’s do it and I just Dove headlong in and got through that record um and then I said well since that was really interesting what about if I did do the person one because originally I was just going to just you know remaster it whatever I said nah let me let me dive in and I dove into the first record which was a bit more difficult to resurrect properly um and but it worked out at the end of the day there was some definitely some hair pully moments along the way when some stuff wasn’t quite there because of whatever time and tape you know scrunt some things up along the way but uh it all worked out in the end yeah and you know let’s go for the first record version still one because one of the things I enjoy about 8s records it’s just a personal thing because I grew up in that era listening to those records I really like the Reverb and the delayed on the vocals you know it’s something it’s so 80s you can when you listen to it you know it’s a [ __ ] 80s record you know how was for you to go back to that first record and relieve those recordings in a way was there meaning outakes let’s say for on that first record uh not so much there was now and again there was like a a forgotten uh half of a track of some piece of a vocal or something like that that was like on another track because that that album was a track so everything had to be accounted for you know uh so yeah there wasn’t so much but surprisingly every once in a while something would po like oh we didn’t use that that’s that’s that’s interesting there because you know when when you were making records back then you also didn’t really even have time to listen back to say yeah that’s really the definitive take of whatever it was uh you were already like mixing the records especially on the second album wish I had a bit more of that stuff like oh wow why why didn’t why didn’t we use that that was actually better you know but you didn’t even know it was there because you mixed it and then you uh trusted who have engineering yeah yeah yeah they wrote it down on the track sheet and off you go so yeah there’s a little little little bit of that along the way um on the first record what I did um I I brought back this track called L floran that was a just a piano thing that I had done when we did the record and then I said that could maybe uh come alive more with some additional orchestration so I did some of that business on on that one things of that of that nature went on here and there throughout the record sometimes for cosmetic reasons sometimes was just was like well if we had what I have now then I would have done that let’s let’s see how that and my goal was to not destroy the original feel of the record keep preserve that fire keep that rawness but just make it um clearer to the ear because those records largely because of um how quick we did it and because of those reverbs and things like that which was sometimes overdone a lot of stuff got washed away so now you can actually really understand what was played on the record yeah and uh you know you said like there was eight tracks on the first record how many tracks did you record for Guardians of the flame was still an eight track record or more no that was 24 okay we went right 8 to 24 actually in the middle of that we went back to for track after we did the first record we uh we went into this very small Studio that was in inside of a used car lot it was great and we did uh demos of burn the sun which appeared later on Guardians life crime same thing and uh a song called the lesson which didn’t appear anywhere so I wanted to use those also on on the first record because they were really done like in the spirit of that right after we did the first record yeah and and besides that cosmetic adaps that you that you already mentioned that you did on the albums what what was the Primal you know instinct or let’s say way of remixing the record because I talk with people and they say like oh they have re-released the records already why is it doing you know that again but if you listen to it you realize why it was done you know because because it sounds better you know there’s more punch into it especially on the base I can hear clearly the base on the first record it’s you know it’s really there but what was the primary reason to remix these records for those fans who still think the original shouldn’t be touched well all I have to say about that is okay well listen to the new one and see you know I get why people you know get um to this kind of like pist head and whatever but um I never thought they sounded as good as they could have sounded you know because there was never enough time to really mix them properly and whatnot and to even know you know what to do with them then so uh the label was like we want to reissue those regs well yeah I could have made life very easy for myself and just gave him what I gave the last time we did it and you know went out on my wor mared wor and drank a lot of wine and went to the beach but uh I’m always you know I like to work and I wanted dive in there and say well let’s see what can be done and as I started listening to the results I was getting I said well I really would be remiss and it would bother me if I didn’t finish what I originally wanted to do so that’s why I did and um you know people are free to just listen to the original versions if they want that’s fine by me it’s cool you know but I think you’ll if you really like those records I think they’re much more understandable now on on these two anniversaries ISS yeah and so basically what you did as you were saying you bake the tapes because you know it’s a process that happened back in the day when you had like proper tapes you need really to put them in the oven to a certain temperature and then be able to use and record and all that so you transfer all that to a digital format and what you do you just add eqs um what was the process what starting basically from scratch so every every track is as naked as it was uh recorded on whatever day you did it uh I mean once in a while maybe sometimes when you were actually recording some some delay or something reever was there and you could can’t get rid of it it’s there whatever uh but whatever it was recorded is there separate so so on the press record you got Drums were really on just two tracks left and right that’s all it was all mixed together which is great it’s cool uh base was on one track uh once in a while there was some other thing here and there and generally it was uh uh one guitar with another overdub now and again sometimes there was three and vocal was just essentially a one vocal with once in a while a Harmony kind of kind of a thing along along the way there wasn’t that you know that much there uh which was neat because it makes it a little easier to deal with uh so yeah you then then you dealing with okay EQ what type of EQ uh Reverb what type of Reverb where am I going to put it what am I going to not put it on what am I going to compress what am I not going to compress and once you get the mix up and running then you have the master Channel which you can also add your mastering compression EQ and whatever later on so and limiting and all that so yeah so that’s that’s later in the in in the process so it’s a stepbystep thing trying to get it to uh sound like a record um without that and then gradually Ting you know what you might need and along the way I’m thinking oh my God that original keyboard track that’s there just sounds like you know it’s not working right now so I had to add another one you know once in a while there was some of that I used on that record um an ARP Selena string on some which is actually a pretty cool piece I was used it on the second Al but it didn’t always uh survive the journey from did it to to now yeah and uh you know back then obviously you know there was a limited space to record and to mix things were you able let’s say on the Guardians record because it was a 24 track record was were you able to recover some you know some sounds that were lost in the mix originally because you know that kind of happens when you’re dealing with frequencies you know certain things are on the same level and then something has to give what’s going to happen were you able to recover or was there anything that you did recover that was kind of lost in the original mix I think so yeah especially on now reg there was a lot of Reverb on like everything it seemed like even the base had Reverb there was like Reverb all over the place so uh I would that the base was the one thing that really really like struck me like wow um I mean I know Joo was a good bass player but I was like he is really I really enjoyed hearing the bass so much on on both of those records he did a lot of interesting things that kind of got glossed over by everything else so I I tried to feature those things when they were really wow that’s let’s really boost that that bit be like that and uh there was some stuff that Jack had done which also got buried and by other tracks that he had had done or whatever so I tried to feature that’s really good they bring when whenever anybody did something really I thought was very exciting to my ear I tried to you know feature that but I think it worked the best with the drums in the bass they got the most um growth out of it yeah and uh you know do you have a lot of memories from recording those two records you know the first one obviously is special you know I know bands I have friends of mine they have bands and you know back then when they recorded the demo they already thought they made it when they did an album you know were big deal in their heads how was that process for you you know when you recorded the first Breakers it was probably something similar you know we we weren’t really thinking about that this is going to be our first record when we went in there to do those songs it was like these are demos okay then we’re going to go in get get some money and make the record but that never worked out that way because we started making a home cassettes sending them around people lik this so I was like all right let’s just press up the record that is the record done you know uh and it was really done very quickly honestly live in the studio with very few overdubs uh that was the process it was uh I remember the the um the um where we had to mix the in the control room it was like smaller than where I’m sitting now it just was like this little tiny little box so you had to work really fast and there was like three people could fit in there it was crazy uh but the studio itself was was pretty neat and uh I enjoyed immensely you know doing doing that that record like I said we thought it was just going to be demos but it was it was the record it was uh incredibly fast and incredibly hot as I mentioned I remember looking at Jack was playing a Dean Flying V and it looked like by the end of that week that like the neck was so walked shoot an arrow with it was incredible he was just playing really aggressively and everything was we were all dren in s was wonderful yeah and you know one of the one of the difference you know you you already explained you know the reason why the let’s say the Guardians record sound more powerful than virgin still one I mean there is a difference and but now I understand why first of all eight tracks to 24 you know there is a difference in room but when I was listening to Guardians I could feel like the big Punch coming in on those songs and it’s probably the records the sound that he has I think it could be from 2024 you know the way that it sounded to me I didn’t have that 80s feeling so much as I had with do the first record yeah well some of that I think on the first we is definitely how it was done you know and I think maybe also um we were still finding our way with each other you know on that record we were only together three weeks before making that record we just went you right in so we would knew each other better on the second album and um yeah once I started resurrecting that second record I was like if I add this if I add this other thing okay this brings it out of that 80s realm into like yeah this could have been somebody who a band who really liked that era but made the record today sound that was feeling as well and when I played it to some people who are engineer friends of mine or whatever I know they like this record sounds like it was done this week it’s like cool you know but it still has that feel of you know when it was done the attitude is you know yeah me I see myself I I have some footage of of us you know in the studio making some of that record uh I was like yeah that’s that’s that that’s those guys yeah all right and do you plan to do any more with the follow-up records or you happy with way let’s say marriage of Heaven and Hell Is are you happy with those sounds or it’s something that you would like to explore properly and give a more modern upto-date sound I would not mind doing that with the marriage also with um life among the ruins yeah I wouldn’t mind doing doing that uh they’ve already been reissued so I I don’t know when that might happen but I think it’s on the minds of SV to do um the black life panal and the nocturns album because they have never been reissued uh so I would go actually on black like Pak andalia I might actually go in there and uh recut some stuff because that was done also really really quickly and there’s some things on there that I know would could be better you know even from from my standpoint because I know the songs better now you know I had written them and we just went right in and now now I I I post them differently now vocally and whatnot so yeah I’d really like to actually get my teeth into that one um yeah we’ll see the other one not so much you know but but we’ll see when I when I when I get to that point right now I’m thinking about what’s going to be the next brand new album which already in the middle of doing so uh and when I say that that doesn’t mean it’s only like these 10 songs there like Oodles of stuff in various stages of completion you know you know you mentioned the black light banali record and you know I don’t know if you watch the Olympic ceremony the opening you know you didn’t watch it but have you read about some of the controversy of it uh have you read anything about it because there was you know during the the ceremony there was like a group of like drag queens they did a portrayal of the Feast of the Gods and a lot of people thought it was a mock to the Last Supper of Jesus Christ whatever but when I was watching the ceremony and I saw that pose the first thing that came to mind was the black light Balia don’t because my instinct was you know when when I think about like Greek gods Roman gods and you know what happened in that era and what is portrayed in paintings you know I associate a lot it with the Virgin Steel music as well because you have that Universe there and that was the thing that came to mind and I wasn’t thinking about anything religious or anything like that it was just that I don’t know why you know but all right I have to look at that I have not followed the Olympics at all okay but it was know that there was a lot of controversy anyway but I was just thinking you know I don’t see you know anything shocking in it if you know if you know history I think there’s more shocking stuff than just some people you know dressed painted and whatever but you know it’s just personal opinion anyway and so you were talking about um about a new record um what’s the point at the moment how many songs do you have or ideas do you have already for that record I have already we have already recorded um probably about 12 or 15 songs but I’m still writing and there’s some stuff that’s just exists only on hat which has to be sketched and explored and there other songs that I’m I’m writing just in my brain still haven’t translated them even onto the I do that now and again just to see if they stay there then I know that they’re going to be good if I remember them you know yeah so it’s it’s one of my tests you know so um I don’t I I don’t know exactly what will end up being on the record but I think it may end up being one of those things where it is act one act two part one part two that type of deal because there is a lot of music and um I think the way the the labels are going now they not they’re not interested really in releasing double discs anymore the moment so it would need to be like you know part one part two part three part thousand what whatever if it if it goes that way let’s see but I am also thinking about maybe doing like an actual a much shorter disc like an e type of deal yeah um because I got some stuff that fits together like that way that would be be one the next record came out sort sort of idea and we’re also working on what would be um um a kind of a movie like our version of The Song Remains the Same you know like live document with fantasy footage I guess like like they did or something of that of that nature we got to get into the um heads of you know the the people in in the group and see what what they’re thinking while a certain song is playing or whatever yeah so we’re we’re recording shows rehearsals whatever and uh I’ll put that all together at some point but maybe that could be together like the movie and then like an EP of new music that’s an idea that’s been picking around in my brain so I haven’t spoken with our label about that yet but it’s it’s a yeah and you know when when you when you write do you have like a lycal Concept in mind already or it’s or you prefer to focus on the music first and then lyrics come after that it’s always a little different when I write some songs are only music first some are lyrics first some are music and lyrics together you know it’s always a bit different uh and I just I start to get into you get into like a Groove and then then you notice there’s some sort of thematic thing going on here then I dig deeper okay where can I go with this do I want to connect them in a narrative way where it’s going to go like the last album was from point A to point Z or do I want a general Vibe like like agent was no savage was where there is there is a connective tissue but there isn’t you know a narrative you follow from from chapter one to the end yeah overarch yeah yeah is it easier for you when you have like a let’s say Concept in mind uh to work on on a record if you have like a story is it easy for you even though if I mean you’re very creative anyway but is it easier if you have like a real concept of a story to write about it it does yeah yeah it well it sort of limits your scope in a way so so yeah so those other things get you know shaved off and you can zero one or something so it is easier in a way but what I like to do with those conceptual records is I’ll make them in such a way that it’s not just history I’m also speaking about what’s going on today you know and what’s going on within my own sphere of existence so um that is also another hype of challenge in there yeah yeah and you know that the funny thing about history and this might be a cliche but it’s funny now it repeats itself every so often you know it’s in a different way but it’s similar it’s just insane that with so many thousands of years of History we learn nothing from it AB nothing no yeah people don’t remember you know whenever you know I think you know we’re creatures of the moment most most people you know and just uh scrabbling along trying to do the best in the given moment and uh yeah if you don’t remember it you do you’re doomed yeah you got to that’s why we need historians to remind us hey this this nudge this way not that way yeah but but the problem today with you know social media it’s that those historians have no place you know because you can create a narrative you can create something that a lot of people will believe it’s the right thing and if there’s an historian someone with evidence and with facts people will just ignore and prefer you need to have you have to be very good with words and one thing I understand is if it could be the biggest [ __ ] idiot on the planet but if he can talk well people will just think he’s right it’s all theater it’s all theater it’s all presentation yeah the food sucks but it looks amazing yeah yeah that’s that’s that’s the thing yeah it’s very unfortunate and I you know I I watched it happen I don’t want to say I predicted it but I knew what was going to happen when we were in uh doing marriage and this is going back to like 96 or 95 I was asked by the label to go into a chat room this is my first experience with a chat room and it was like going into like the ninth circle of hell it was e in utter bedum there were people in there who knew who ver was but there was most people who just wanted to create noise so said this is it it’s over and then when the smartphone happened I said that’s it that’s the that’s the nail and coffin that’s it yeah oh then then now you’re antisocial media yeah yeah made by the smartphone and and it’s all a progression not a good progression yeah you know the the thing about you know social media is good if used if used in the right way but the problem is still the good and the bad thing about uh technology evolving is everybody can say what they want you know it’s a good it’s one of the good things about Freedom it’s still one of the bad things about fre me it’s you’re right I think I think I think uh schools need to maybe have a special course and how to be decent starting in the first early grades you know maybe that will a because to deal with this new technology because everyone has access to be a basically nuclear weapon which is unnecessary you know we didn’t have to live this way in even the early 2000s the 90s 80s especially you know and if you wanted to have talk about social social media The Rock clubs were outrages there’ll be 500,000 people in the room on a Monday Tuesday night very social situation you know where’s that now bring it on I want it you know I’m from and you are as well from the time like back in the 80s where you would meet you know at a weekend with friends in the metal bar or something to talk about the newest releases the newer bands and you know that’s how you get information and this day and age you just get it everywhere and there is so much music you know that’s very hard sometimes to you know pay attention to an artist and how how for you like a band like virgin steel how can you keep people interested in the band with so much stuff going on uh it’s a difficult question and I think that’s really the label has to work that out more than I do perhaps I think my my whole feeling on it is I don’t want to jump up and down and be in your face all the time that’s not what I want to do that’s not what I liked about the artist that I grew up you know loving um I want you to know that there’s releases something so I’ll go on and say it on the outlets that we have and what we’re doing right now which is wonderful um but I’m not going to um brow beat you into liking vergin steel you got to come to it on your own I think my maybe our stance and my stance in particular within the group is to step back a bit and uh you can come to me I’m available I’m open you know yeah and you come visit me I’ll probably buy all the drink I find all the drinks you know and it’s a good time so come on in the water is fine and you know I know virgin seal for many many years and you guys have so many great releases and this is a difficult question there’s probably no answer to it but why do you think virsion steel is not bigger than it should be I think there are more than one factors at at play but one of them and this might might be the main one or at least within the top two um is that it wasn’t built to be I you know that wasn’t my interest my interest was to not have a career per se but to create a way of life that could sustain me and several others throughout the ages of our existence on the Earth and that goal has been achieved you know I don’t have another day job this is what I do so it is working um in that respect the other thing is I think it’s not necessarily for everyone it’s there some yes some records certain songs could be maybe cross and and be more of a palatable to every every year but in general what we do does require a certain commitment and certain understanding of why we arrived at what we do you know understand what what do we Listen to Understanding maybe classical music a bit maybe understanding a bit of Opera maybe understand understanding definitely understanding the blues and having an ear or feel for that that other sort of Music if your if your diet is only like Iron Maiden Judas Priest and that and you don’t even go in in and disc discover what those people will listening to then you know that’s kind of you’re not going to get what what we’re about I think yeah and that that’s for me was the the good thing that’s how I discovered bands was reading the booklets see whom they would tank and if there was like a band Manion or an artist I would try to look up on metal magazines to know who the person was and that’s how I discover a ton [ __ ] of music back then with no internet sure sure reading you know I think reading is a lost art I read every day I can’t go to bed without reading I’m always reading you I fall asleep with the book and and it dribble I mean I read anything anything I’ll read the uh I’ll read the toothpaste tube if there’s nothing there I have to read you know it’s a good it’s good to keep the brain sharp anyway you know I think it’s very important to I normally like to when I’m having like a smartphone overdose I like to get the book and just start reading it so my brain can just relax otherwise it’s a big problem it’s a wonderful way to see parts of the world and other personalities that you might never run into otherwise it’s great and then oh when you do run into that part of the world with that personality I remember this type from this book yeah and you know to wrap it up um you guys have any shows plan any touring I mean you played Portugal a couple times as far as I remember you played one show with angra and uh then another one was in Porto with a I can’t remember what which tour it was yeah yeah that was on the at tour yeah yeah yeah we were just in uh Spain last year which was a wonderful gig we did that uh and we were in cre and we are doing true high in Germany uh the end of August this year and um we’ve been offered some other stuff offered some dates in Italy for I think autumn and winter we’re exploring that and there’s also some chatter about us doing some dates with the Ros boss maybe in Europe so uh we’ll see where it all All Leads I’m open cool very good right Davy thank you very much for your time all the best for Virgin still looking forward for new music as always love these remixes especially Guardians it’s it’s really really well done and I like the first one because it’s [ __ ] 80s as all that Vibe and it’s it’s amazing how we get attached to certain sounds and how you know how they unlock certain memories you know just by listening to as as I was saying that Reverb Echo that’s so 80s in the vocals you know it just unlocks the world of memories you know sure I I definitely relate yeah enjoy the the releases and uh I thank you for having me on on the the show all right DAV thank you very much all the best hope to see you guys in Portugal soon you know maybe next year so all the best and hope to see you soon all right thank you have a great thank you bye-bye bye bye bye virgin steel one Guardians of the flame The Anniversary Edition for of the flame Children of the Night he will live through the centuries to come as I have lived good night good night