Vídeo: Autoridade lituana: adesão da Ucrânia à NATO é crucial para derrota da Rússia

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Ukrainian president zilinski held Frank conversations with his European counterparts and NATO allies about the need to get behind his victory plan but will the West eventually regret not heeding his calls for the Europe conversation I catch up with Lithuanian defense minister Linus cunas well Minister lorinas cunas minister of defense for Lithuania thanks very much for joining us on this special uh event pleasure uh this NATO defense Minister’s meeting we’re here in NATO Studios for the Europe conversation on euron news um it has been a momentous week H in Brussels president zelinski was at the European Council he was here briefing you all on his victory plan what is your reaction to it very positive reaction was good what we have planned uh of course in the plan there’s many important details so first uh moment which I should mention you know lania always supported Ukraine’s invitation into the NATO because our in our uh understanding you cannot send the message to Russia but they have at least informal vetto power on NATO enlargement it’s a biggest mistake Ukrainian nation which fights for their independence but also fights for our security deserves uh you know determination right which organization which Community to choose for the future for their children for you know for the generations so that’s why invitation is not membership but it’s a point of no return it’s irreversibility so I think we can do this uh move at least invitation I mean there’s more than just hesitancy around this invitation to naso for Ukraine because what they were given was this quote indestructible Bridge towards membership but not an invitation you know United States is not too keen and countries like Slovakia and Hungary are actively hostile to that yeah we know but uh you know we need to find a compro compromised formulation formul for formula but you know uh I think it’s a question first of all for our big alleys you know uh because just Waring about irreversibility bridges sorry is not working we need actions if we will not make actions uh you know I remember the story The before the before the fullscale war in 2017 2018 after crimeia when after dbas uh we baltics always said give more weapons to Ukraine for deterant if Ukraine will be strong Russia will be deterred and we heard a lot of voices from our friends look if you will give a weapons to Ukraine it will escalate it will provoke and we gave not enough for them and you see what happened doing nothing is escalatory thinking with you you know uh your your support to Ukraine can escalate situation it’s a mistake and I hope we we know we will we will understand our mistakes well what about the hesitancy then from the United States from the UK in relation to long range weapons into Russian territory and uh Chancellor Schultz of Germany Point Blank ruling it out ever yeah I understand there are internal things we die democracies we have elections Russia does not have elections it’s a fake elections so Tainan regimes are can be effective in some kind of decision making we are depending on Cycles we are depending on societal approaches and you know what’s happening in some Western societies Rising for right talking about free peace not even thinking what does it mean peace under this conditions which is now exist it will be unjust peace which will lead to another war in the near near future so I understand that kind of things that’s why I can explain why some politicians are not decisive uh enough but we will invest into Ukraine defense when we see now what Ukrainian companies can produce also long range strike capabilities uh ballistic things uh very effective drones who can hit long range targets and uh even uh quite resilient on R electronic warfare so we will invest into Ukraine for V production and this production will uh solve this red Lin problem because it will be Ukrainian uh uh weapons yeah but we’re talking about now I mean Victory plan is out a few weeks now and um we haven’t really heard much of a response from Ukrainian allies I mean Vladimir zelinsky went several weeks ago to the United States when you talk about election Cycles are you saying that perhaps after the US election because the UK doesn’t have an election cycle anymore um we know that potentially Germany might be under domestic pressure but this is always going to be the case and Ukraine needs the weapons now so what’s their solution you know I I still think that you know American elections is crucial one not only for Americans but for all uh World especially Western World and and intentionally you can feel from all allies what we are looking now to November and waiting for that what will happen because it can change the trajectory maybe it will not change but it’s uncertainty it creates a zone now for Passive moves we are to passive now because you are you afraid that you um might incite uh some disinformation in the United States from Trump’s fans who tend to be much less supportive of Ukraine is that the fear and are you fearing then if if Trump and to become go to the White House that Ukraine is in trouble Lithuania will do what we need to do but the United States is is I mean vital vital absolutely because without United States you cannot change the trajectory of War so it means United States should be uh in the boat not out of the boat you know so uh I’m I’m not apocalyptical on Trump I mean we need to work with all administrations Republican Democrat in any case but it still creates uncertainty you know because we just hear about some kind of peace talks negotiations we will solve everything fast but you know uh when you go deeper into details you lack the evidence and confident uh uh decisions could could reassure you what this peace possible peace will be for granted I mean you know but at the same time there is Major escalation with the news from Ukrainian um services that say that Russia is training or North Korea is training 10,000 soldiers for Ukrainian territory to fight for Russia which zilinski said during the week was step towards a new world war so you know the there is obviously urgency to end this war uh you know um I would say on Korean participation of course Iran Korea is a big factors now supporting Russia uh of course Chinese factor is even more important because it leted Russia to overcome all technological sanctions it’s important for equipment and weapons which Russia still uh produce uh if you look at Korean I would say you know where Human Resources was not never for Russia problem much more bigger problem is ammunition and uh sophisticated more or less weapons so I would say much more bigger problem is Korean weapons in against Ukraine not uh 10,000 something uh you know uh people uh because you know you can find another people if you need you know so I would say I would say yes of course it’s a sign of Korean participation I mean of of of of his dictatorship participation but if if you look more more deeper much bigger problem is weapons and ammunition uh drones from Iran and so on you have said that NATO should shoot down Russian drones that fly into NATO airspace a lot of uh NATO allies would say that’s a provocation that could lead to a a greater escalation and sometimes it may not be proportionate just explain why you think that’s a good idea uh you know we every NATO country has right to self-defense so one thing is detection of a drone another is killing the Drone soft kill is when you jam it hard kill when you shoot it so if it’s in your territory of course you need to apply a proportional principle if a drones is in the forest going maybe it’s not so risky to let him go down but if it goes to your bordering City somewhere which can harm your civilian lives you you need to shoot it’s not a pro escalatory it’s defense and uh we need to be more on active defense this is the problem because Russia knows what alliance is defensive Alliance it will be always so but this defensive Alliance could be much more active reacting in some kind of uh situations because if you will not react Russia will push this line further and further and we will have a problems when just final question um because you mentioned that the Baltic countries in particular have warned the West about this back in 2008 2014 and so on and very little was done in the name of deescalation do you think in a few years time we’ll look back at this and say we really messed up we should have given them all of the way weapons at the start and and what impact you think it’s going to have you know Simple Thing Ronald Reagan strength a pieace through strength the the formula which is classic Russia is not attacking the strong when you are strong Russia is not attacking as simple as that Russia respects when you are strong so that’s why if you want to peace with Russia you need to have military muscles you need to be military strong to have a peace it’s the only thing and we do not understood that hope till now is it frustration for you then when you’re with your NATO allies in particular Hungary and Slovakia oh it’s a different stories yes tell us a little bit about that you know because we see uh Robert Foo saying that well defending Moscow essentially and criticizing his own allies who are saying he’s saying essentially they’re warmongers yeah Article Five is quite flexible I mean not all countries should support if our supports you and makes decision to go for for help military help so it’s a good thing but yes we have a problems when some countries which we call alleys in their behavior in their mindset works not as the allies and it’s a problem and they security threat I would not call them security threats but you know if you ask do we trust it’s questionable Orban Ando you know I don’t want to go to the personalities okay you know but uh but I think we need to we need to be I would say more Frank with them sometimes okay Minister for defense for Lithuania lorinas cunas thank you very much for joining us on the your conversation here at NATO thank you